Fellow Commentary: A Slam at Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
In a new episode commentary, That Fellow In The Coat looks over and defends his most controversial and infamous video.
Date And Time: 2013-03-18 18:40:02Comment:
If you go in with the "I'm gonna hate it" additude, you are more likely to like it.
Name: random guy
Date And Time: 2013-03-18 01:26:18Comment:
I do love the original and new film but you actually do have a good point with both of the films.
Name: Deirdre Dolhun
Date And Time: 2013-03-11 00:19:14Comment:
I like both versions of the film and i can understand your opinion. When I was a kid, i got the "Candy Man" song stuck in my head!If Wonka can use chocolate and candy, would he be like a candy mann? That song sort of makes sense by that.
Date And Time: 2013-01-12 22:42:59Comment:
I love That Movie Not Hate Movie I hate 2005 Movie
Date And Time: 2012-11-20 08:00:34Comment:
I happen to like both versions. The '71 version was the version I grew up with (90's kid, yay!) L
ove it, it's childhood. The Burton one had the creepy dark feel of Roald Dahl which I know and love. Haven't read the book in quite some time, so I don't know which was closer, but I don't care. Liked both! (Though, I personally prefer Wilder's Willy Wonka.)
Date And Time: 2012-11-08 20:20:25Comment:
You should check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7s1JUVzZfs.
You would be amazed to know that the Tim Burton version actually diviates from the book as much as the original movie, it is just not as obvious. Also, Dahl's complaints of the WWATCF don't make any sense. His complaints were the exact opposite of the movie. It focuses more on Charlie and it takes away some focus on Wonka from the book. Personally I did not know what to make of the Burton version before I saw it.
Date And Time: 2011-09-17 13:05:55Comment:
Here's something I need to point out. In the Nostalgia Critic's comparison of the two films, he said that even though he expected to hate the film, he actually liked it at first. It was when they got to the factory and Johnny Depp showing up that made him hate it. Overall, I still agree with him that the Gene Wilder version is the better film, I just think he could have done better at explaining why.
Name: johnny depp
Date And Time: 2011-09-04 16:21:07Comment:
hi england people i do like gene wilder he has put his soul into it but i think that the new one is better now especcialy freddie sorry peter but freddie was better
Name: william new
Date And Time: 2011-09-04 16:17:38Comment:
i know the old vershion isnt close to the book but its good johnny depp is the same as when he was jack sparrow gene wilder just was willy wonka and freddie highmoore and peter ostrum were good as charlies so well done actors
Name: Paul S. Love
Date And Time: 2011-06-22 21:00:21Comment:
Okay, I understand why you didn't think Charlie should have gotten the factory, but at the end, Willy Wonka explains that Slugworth was planted as a test that Charlie passed. I understand the confusion, but what can you do if someone doesn't get it? Nothing. Jonny depp just didn't do it for me. Gene Wilder should've won an oscar. Am I the only one who sees that they made just as many changes in the Burton version? They added all of that crap about Wonka being a candymaking michael jackson, which really took away from the magic of Wonka.
Name: Paul S. Love
Date And Time: 2011-06-22 20:55:03Comment:
You and I have opposite taste, Mr. Coat. I have never liked any of your opinions, but I still love your videos, and it is almost refreshing to see some dissonance.
Date And Time: 2011-06-22 20:53:12Comment:
Shut up, Mr. Smith! Obviously you didn't listen to what Mr. Coat was saying. Use your brains?
Date And Time: 2011-03-01 10:21:03Comment:
And here I thought I was the only one who knew that Burtons version is NOT a remake but another book adaption. Thank you!
I agree with you. I saw the old version once and I didn't really care for it. I liked Burtons version on the other hand. I don't want to bring the NC up but this was the first time I actually disagreed with him.
People say that Burtons Wonka is wierd? Depps performance makes actually more sense. He plays a person locked away from the rest of the world for many years without any contact to other humans.
Date And Time: 2011-01-05 13:15:19Comment:
Both are good film, thought Roland Dahl disliked the 1971 since wasn't true to his verison
Name: Ken Murray
Date And Time: 2010-11-29 16:00:50Comment:
I agree with what you said at the start of the cometary. however, because of the Nostalgia Critic and a few other sources, I've made and opinion of two (just two)movies without seeing them all the way myself. those tow being "a Troll in Central Park" and the 80s' Pound Puppies movie. both universally thought to be terrible and both for very young audiences anyway.
Date And Time: 2010-09-30 18:14:15Comment:
I'm glad you were willing to share your believe about a beloved movie. Kind of reminds me when Confused Matthew bashed the Lion King. But i also really respect you not wanting to change people's opinion. I also like the points you made even though i disagree with them. P.S There is a web series called Books vs. Movies on youtube which does a really good analyze on both book adaptations.
Date And Time: 2010-07-28 21:27:53Comment:
I like your honesty. And I coincidentally was thinking the same as you about the films. I too dislike the old version the more I see it... especially for me with having his father dead (too cliche), the mother singing (WHo she think she is? Holy Mary?), the Oompa Loompas (seriously, they look like rock golems in clown makeup) and Wonka's yelling (Even as a child got offended by this the first time I saw it). At least I give it credit that the tunnel scene was wacked up but a bit creative and Gene Wilder's role was perfect. The Burton version was more like it to me even though I still have some issues like I think there should have been more energy when Charlie gets the ticket, Johnny Depp's perdormance and makeup (I like him, but I think for crazy people he is useless.. just like his Mad Hatter role proved it). Well.. This is my honest opinion and I was glad that I am not alone.
Date And Time: 2010-07-15 02:46:35Comment:
3) I didn't like the music in either version. The Oompa-Loompa songs in the older version use the lyrics from the book which makes sense. The new version is just trying too hard to be Tim-Burtonesque which doesn't work in a movie that's supposed to be about a happy chocolate factory.
4) I liked how NC pointed out how Willy Wonka was more about Charlie and how Charlie & the Chocolate Factory was more about Willy Wonka. The old version got it right in making the movie more about Charlie than Willy Wonka. I thought Willy Wonka's backstory was unneccesary.
Btw, after NC said that he went into the Tim Burton version expecting to hate it he ended up thinking that it wasn't that bad. Oh and Mr. Fellow I disagree with you on the Oompa-Loompas. Those look like Oompa-Loompas to me. I don't know what Burton was thinking when he decided to make the Oompa-Loompas look like a small Indian guy?
Date And Time: 2010-07-15 02:38:09Comment:
Here's Part 1 on my take in the "Old vs. New"
1) Gene Wilder's performance was true to the book and you felt like he was a mysterious genius, albeit a demented genius but still a genius. Johnny Depp was a pedophile! He gagged every time he was about to say parent. Who would want their kid to be around that? Plus his laugh was incredibly annoying and he didn't seem to care about the kids that much. He also said a lot of random and awkward stuff.
2) I loved Freddie Highmore's performance more than Peter Ostrum's. I didn't like how the Nostalgia Critic bashed Highmore's Charlie "for being a saint". HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SAINT!
The whole Charlie stealing a Fizzie drink didn't make sense because it lent the question: Why does Charlie get away with disobeying Wonka when the other kid's don't? That doesn't make sense. It also wasn't true to the book because Charlie was the only kid who wasn't bad, which is why he got the Chocolate Factory. Never did like how Wonka yelled at him.
Date And Time: 2010-07-07 10:26:46Comment:
I agree; the Nostalgia Critic was TOTALLY unfair to the Burton version. If you're going into a movie with an attitude of "I'm going to hate it," you're automatically going to hate it whether it's a good movie or not.
Date And Time: 2010-07-05 03:18:26Comment:
I honestly think that I for one think it's an OK film.Not a great adaptation and you did tell the thoughts of the bad sides of the film.
I for one hated (and still do),the scene where he shouts at Charlie for disobeying Wonka's contract.
And the oompa loompa songs are just repetitive and add nothing to the film.
But overall,it's decent (in my opinion).
I will say I liked the remake because it followed more closer to the original book and Johnny Depp was OK (not the best but watchable and funny).Tim Burton was MADE to do such an adaption.He expanded the CATCF universe and we all know he HAD to change a few bits here and there.
I do agree on what you thought on the 70s version (but still)and I'm glad Slugworth was given a much MUCH smaller role in the TB version and given the fact,the other charecters were annoying in the 70s version,I've been proved otherwise just slightly.
I think that (in-a-way),Charlie worked well as a more innocent child in the later one and the other kids felt slightly toned down.
Overall,the 70s one's decent but the Tim Burton one works.
Date And Time: 2010-06-30 09:09:37Comment:
I was just wondering: Is Jordan still doing the What Else is On videos? That Fellow: I'm afraid he's retired from doing commentaries. I actually haven't had contact with him in a long time.
Name: Neil Dunsmore
Date And Time: 2010-06-14 01:25:02Comment:
@Mr. Smith- I can't help thinking you didn't listen to what That Fellow in the Coat said after "I thought he was a little unfair" or something along those lines. See, when the Critic was comparing the two films, even I must admit, it felt a little biased. Rather than seeing the Burton film as another adaptation of the book, which is what it is, Doug Walker instead saw it as a remake of the older film and came across as if he was just hating on the new one for... well... not being the old one. I do disagree with the "If you expect to hate a film, of course you'll hate it" thing because normally, low expectations tend to make a person's final thoughts better than expected, but really, it did seem a little unfair that the Critic didn't give the Burton film a real chance whereas in his LOTF vid, he gave both the Jackson/Bakshi films equal treatment despite the Bakshi film garnering itself a horrible reputation.
Date And Time: 2010-06-13 20:18:59Comment:
I liked both, but personally, Tim's held a closer candle. I still appreciate Mel's considering how I grew up on it heavily and enjoyed it, but Tim was more complete and hit more notes that were closer to the novel. It was dark and had a tad more heart to it, aside from the creepy levels (I'm used to that, but some can complain).
Name: Sarah :)
Date And Time: 2010-06-12 16:31:59Comment:
Regarding the people who changed their opinion, you got to know that being a critic, you will change peoples mind with your opinion. I mean when you point out the faults that you see, they start to see it too. For me, I usually look at reviews regarding a movie after I see it so I my own opinion as well as the public's. In my opinion, I think both versions had their ups and downs. I like the old one because of the music.(except for the oompa-loompa songs) The Tim Burton one was good too, and the oompa-loompa songs on that were a step up as well. I didn't really like Johnny Depp's performance compared to Gene Wilder's however. But anyway that's my opinion on those two. :)))
Date And Time: 2010-06-12 09:59:59Comment:
Not everyone will like the same movie.
My opiton on Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. I think it's ok. It's not great. But it's ok. My thoughts on Nostalgia Critic's Old vs. New.
I know the old verison will win. I am little bit mad he didn't use the book in his video like you did. Also he did'nt said about Roald Dahl hating the old verison.
Date And Time: 2010-06-11 15:22:41Comment:
Thank you for apologizing about ranting Willy Wonka, it help made my day. And if you need to see a really,really,really bad movie,see Garbebege Pail Kids. It makes your top 11 wrost sequels look like masterpeices.
Date And Time: 2010-06-11 08:49:26Comment:
I don't blam you. My mom is a huge Stephen King fan. She hates when movies don't follew Stephen King's books. She hated the The Shining. I know everyone loves that films. But she don't.
Name: Mr. Smith
Date And Time: 2010-06-11 05:16:57Comment:
So, you say that NC is unfair, yet you are? You're trying to say that your opinion holds out, yet you're complaining that Nostalgia Critic has a different opinion. He obviously loved the original film, and he's bound to say that. You can't criticize him for being honest, and then be offended when people criticize you for the same thing. I like both films, but Johnny Depp was just terrible in the new film. He was acting like an alien, yet we're supposed to see him as a genius. I don't care if he's been in the factory for so long, or if he has a child's mind, the fact is, his role is worse than Gene Wilder. Now don't think I'm just following the crowd by trying to defend the original, I'm just trying to say that you can't express dislike for comments when you're doing the same thing to someone else who has a different opinion than you on the same subject. If you're going to criticize a much-loved classic, expect a complaint or two. There's an old cat saying, "if you're going to eat tuna, expect bones." That Fellow: I don't have a problem with him disliking "Charlie", the problem is that he watched the film, obviously expecting to hate it, without giving it a fair shake. Walking into any film, good or bad, with that attitude, obviously you're going to walk out un-impressed.